“Ok, it’s the Zombie Apocalypse. You can have three weapons: one blade, one handgun, and one long gun. What would they be?”
That was the question I heard one teenage boy pose to his friends recently. These are good boys who like roughing it and have a bent toward camping and survival. A healthy bent like in the days of old.
The question intrigued me so I silently listened as they debated the merits of various combinations. Their initial choices were insightful, especially for teenage boys. They discussed the benefits of a crossbow, the downsides of a shotgun, and a the characteristics of various other weapons.
As the discussion progressed however, they had fun trying to outdo one another with outlandish selections. Their list eventually included a mace from the dark ages and a bazooka. (I think that even as adults we are susceptible to one-upsmanship. I’ve seen it happen on blog postings and Facebook comments. It can make for an interesting read.)
Nevertheless the question was a good one.
A Question of Survival
If I could have with me only one blade, one handgun, and one long gun, what would I choose?
Of course my answer will reflect my background and experiences. It’ll reflect my current situation and my expectations for the future. In short my answer will probably be different than your’s. So, before I share my answer, I would like to hear from you. What would you choose?
For the purposes of this discussion however, let’s not go with the zombie apocalypse. Lets go with something a bit more likely. Let’s say there has been a sudden and dramatic economic collapse. Maybe it was from a stock market bubble that burst or a worldwide pandemic that causes the economy to falter as well.
It doesn’t really matter. The gist of it is: you cannot buy a loaf of bread with a wheel barrel full of money. There is no electricity or water since workers have long since stopped going to work. The store shelves are bare and you must survive and provide for your family.
For the rest of the details, use your own situation.
- If you live in the suburbs of a large city and have two months worth of food and supplies in storage, go with that.
- If you have a fully stocked bug out location 100 miles from where you are now and you need to get there safely, go with that.
- If you are new to prepping and haven’t even started yet, go with that.
The only caveat to use-your-own scenario is that you can only have three weapons.
Since our scenarios will vary widely, so will our selections. Someone living in New York City will have different needs than someone living in Wyoming.
Share Your Thoughts
I want to hear your thoughts. Please share in the comments below. Provide enough detail about your scenario to back up your selections without sharing too much. Don’t give personal details like the city in which you live. Just say something like “I live in a small rural town on the plains of the midwest.”
So how about it. What would you choose? I will share my answer next week.
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January 14, 2013 at 8:12 am
M14, Glock 20, SP8 Machete
January 14, 2013 at 12:04 pm
The 7.62NATO M14 rifle was perfected by the DOD, and designed to replace the sub-machine gun, the battle rifle, squad automatic weapon, and assault rifles with one easy rifle. The range is 700 yards plus, weighs 8.8 lbs, a full power rifle cartridge powerful enough to take down the largest North American game, and 20 rounds copper coated candy are just a click away. The entire package breaks down without tools and can be carried inside a backpack. The troops in Afganistan emptied all the stockpiles into service for a reason. And hey, slick willy (former pres clinton) had a majority of them destroyed because the globalists are scared of them in the hands of patriotic Americans. Read Bostons Gun Bible about the subject. The Glock 20 is a full size 10mm pistol, the most powerful defensive autoloader catridge in the most reliable gun. For those 40 S&W lovers, step up to the origional 40 full power cartridge. Ontario Knife manufactures a “machete” with a 1/4″ rectangular blade called the SP8, I read an article in a survival blog about it as a universal backpack single carry tool that chops wood, foliage, pry tool, defensive, etc. After purchasing and utilizing, I certainly agree.
January 21, 2013 at 7:15 pm
In an alternative enviroment I might trade my Glock for my Mark series Ruger pistol. Easily suppresed (for when you don’t want to attract attention), carry tons of ammo, kill bunnies without wasting meat, preffered by some assassins ( I hear). Do not engage a skunk or dangerous critter. My friend shot one and was chased, and eack skunk took a dozen rounds to kill. On a side note, if I can’ carry myM14, I carry my 44rem.mag.
June 21, 2013 at 3:23 am
I live in Texas so I have a custom made, suppressed La Rue OBR 7.62. It is made here and with all of the things on it and all of the mods it isn’t much more than a standard Colt AR 15. I also carry a S&W .40 15+1 in the chamber.
January 9, 2014 at 5:21 pm
I won’t be listening to anymore rules when TSHTF so I won’t pay any attention to yours either. My family will be totin Ar,s for everyday security, a m1a and m1 garand for any possible large action that might arise! All personel are armed with glock 40 s ruger 9s and assorted heavy hitting revolvers jammed full of as much buffalo bore ammo as we can carry! Close in we will change over to mossberg spx 930s with slugs and oo buck, all battle rifles have bayonets and our favorite hand to hand knifes are 6 ” out the front microtec ! Everybody has at least one concealed last resort pistol. Most are seecamp 380s and a few naa 22 mags.
I realize the question was which three but I won’t be playing by any rules when the time comes and we all know you should prepare like your gonna fight! Listening to the rules will get you and your love ones killed!
January 14, 2013 at 8:17 am
red rider BB gun, butter knife, squirt pistol are approved for Kalifornians.
January 14, 2013 at 9:25 am
Ha! Sad and funny at the same time, John.
January 14, 2013 at 9:45 am
Are you sure about the red rider?
March 14, 2013 at 9:56 am
You’ll shoot your eye out!
March 14, 2013 at 6:48 pm
Good, then they’ll stay in Kalifornia.
April 29, 2018 at 1:13 pm
you are whats wrong with this country..you despise your fellow contrymen over stupid differences of opinion. No wonder the russians and chinese have always said “we dont need to destroy America…redneck Americans will do that for us”….
March 13, 2014 at 8:28 pm
And he lasts…….. five whole minutes!!!!
March 29, 2015 at 4:36 pm
I live in New Jersey – I can only have the butter knife.
January 14, 2013 at 9:43 am
M21 Whitefeather, 1911, 9″ Bowie, high dessert, long shots may be necessary, both firearms are essentially immune to extreme high or low (-33 this morning) temps, and reliable. Howdoyou go wrong with a big Bowie? Hunting, skinning, chopping, or fighting, it will do the job and ask for more.
January 14, 2013 at 9:58 am
XD45, 16″ barreled AR-15 and an SOG Tactical Tomahawk
January 21, 2013 at 11:45 am
Are you primarily concerned with defense, Mike?
January 14, 2013 at 10:31 am
i’m a suburanite. i figure trying to drive 100 miles isn’t worth the risk… so i bug in. a heavier blade like a machette, a nato type pistol and ar or ak type rifle would be my choices… ammo easier to get rifle to fend off multiple attackers… pistol inside defense.. machette for escape
January 14, 2013 at 11:29 am
(ar or ak) are intermediate cartridges, not enough power for legal hunting in some states.
January 15, 2013 at 10:31 am
my intitial thinking is hunting during SHTF is crazy. you really don’t want to bring attention to yourself. in this same scenario laws won’t mean much. trapping or slingshot or other quiet weapon for food… small game as food as larger game gets wasted without freezer or refridgeration… guns are for have to fight scenarios.. avoidance is the key as are camo and concealment…. i’m ex military but disabled so stealth will be my friend
February 21, 2013 at 12:24 am
shockanawe, remember when you say AR that you are not just referring to the AR15 in 5.56. My AR preference would be an AR10 in .308 for an all around defense / hunting cartridge. It is not a popular as the 5.56, but you can find bulk ammo.
February 21, 2013 at 5:45 am
Boston’s Gun Bible says the AR-10 is not a survival gun option, and the USDOD nor any other country ever used them. My experience is their extremely heavy and dirty operating. Try M14, FAL, G3. Proven weapons.
January 14, 2013 at 11:23 am
Great question, Joe! This reflects what i have: 30-.06 hunting rifle, .40 Smith and Wesson, Becker Campanion survival knife. I live in the willywhacks so I don’t have to worry about high capacity weapons as much as the next guy. Someone comes to get me I’m going to disappear into my woods and get them later.
The 30-.06 is a good caliber hunting rifle, although big for small game. It can also be used defensively as a sniper weapon if you’re good enough and you can keep your head when the lead starts flying. Also, it’s less likely to be confiscated by the government if some kind of weapons ban goes into effect.
The .40 S&W is a good all around pistol. I think this just comes down to personal preference though. Some people might prefer a revolver because you don’t have to mess with magazines, but it’s a personal choice.
The Becker is my favorite knife, so that’s a no brainer for me.
Are you going to post your choices? I’d love to hear them.
January 14, 2013 at 11:26 am
Nice selection, Jarhead! Hard to argue with any of them.
I’m going to share my choices in one week. I actually wrote the post immediately after this one so I wouldn’t “cheat” and see what everyone else had chosen.
By the way, you’re choices are very close to mine.
Joe
January 14, 2013 at 1:40 pm
This is a quandry because there is no perfect combination. The situation calls for 3 items that need to be versatile and practical. A balance between self defense where more firepower is desired and hunting where more firepower is not necessarily needed. Would you really hunt squirrels with an AK or .40 caliber pistol. One consideration would be availability of ammunition, if thats an issue a rifle and pistol combination that uses the same cartridge would come in handy. A 22 magnum rifle and pistol could maximize the ammo issue, could be adequate for hunting small to medium size game but a little light on the defense side of things. A 12 gauge pump shotgun capable of handling 3 1/2 shells would be a versatile weapon as it could be used for self defense, big game and small game if a variety of shells are available. As far as the hand gun, I’d lean more toward self defense than hunting so something along the lines of a 9mm or larger. A blade should be heavy enough to use as a chopping tool and a pocket knife isn’t much of a weapon so a single blade Bowie style knife with a heavy spine.
January 14, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Excellent observation, Joe Browning! Thanks for sharing! I’ll post my thoughts next week.
January 14, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Mine:
AR-5.56/223-Glock 10mm-Gerber mid size hatchet
My wife:
Tactical 887-Sig Sauer MK25-Cold Steel Survival Rescue Knife
We live in the mountains where the winters are harsh and distances between civilization is long, so I have done my best to plan out my wife and I as a tandem pair to maximize resources. For example I carry a rifle she carries the shotgun, granted should this be an on foot situation she will trade out the 887 for a much lighter 10/22. I choose the AR because of the common caliber, rate of fire, and in truth out of my selection it makes the most sense. My wife loves the shotgun its simple, easy to maintain, and she shoots it very well.
The MK25 is my sidearm of preference so our long term goal is to replace my wife’s sidearm with the Sig Sauer enhanced elite which she has found fits her grip very well and utilizes the same caliber and magazines as my MK25. My hope is this will minimize any problems associated with defective/lost magazines as well as provide a much more common caliber in comparison to the 10 mm.
I truly believe in our area it makes sense to have an axe/hatchet so because of the weight it just makes sense that i carry it. I have carried the SRK for many years from climbing to snow caving and the only thing i would say is that one lesson learned is from my first time snow caving with it, I awoke on day three to find small rust spots on the sharpened edge. I have learned how to prevent this but I may look into a stainless knife for the future.
Great website thank you for the numerous topics and discussion
January 14, 2013 at 2:13 pm
I don’t have to bugout because I moved out of danger three years ago. I stay home in New Hampshire one of the safest places in the nation. I have the three I need. 18″ shotgun, 9mm xd, BK2.
January 14, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Reality needs to come in somewhere. SHTF and if you aren’t in your BOL or have one really close, your done. No matter what you carry. Arms are fun topics for teens. They really are a moot point, i.e., as subject for couch preppers,
January 14, 2013 at 6:21 pm
I hope that works out well for you, but growing up as a boy scout our motto was “Be Prepared”. My father lives on the border of Olympic Nat’l Rain Forest in WA state, and a hiker was gored by a stupid goat, and bled to death because his fellow hikers were attacked as they tried to help him. I dont traverse outdoors without my 44mag, or my subcompact 9mm in town for those freak situations like the goat that may cross our paths.
January 15, 2013 at 10:45 am
Agreed. Be Prepared. Having protection is a no brainer, but not starting from Zombie Ground Zero goes a long way to surviving. Idea: Scenario discussion, maybe on podcast or Skype. That would help people think about reality.
January 15, 2013 at 12:56 pm
I love my BK2, Ray. Nice knife that Jarhead Survivor or at SHTFBlog.com turned me onto a year or so ago.
January 15, 2013 at 1:49 pm
I was converted by knife envy during a BOB test weekend. I had my Bear Gryls Ultimate survival knife and it felt small and weak next to the BK2. The BK2 is like a halftrack next to a jeep. Probably overkill, but I am good with it. BK2 and tec lock instead of POS sheath is more encouraging. Yes, I am compensating for something. That something is that I may be in a SHTF situation with this one knife.
January 15, 2013 at 1:57 pm
“The BK2 is like a halftrack next to a jeep.”
Hahahaha! Nice! And true.
January 15, 2013 at 6:28 pm
Great analogy! haha!
January 14, 2013 at 5:45 pm
heck I gotto go with my .22 rifle and my 357 revolver…..if obummers thugs come for my guns…an assault weapon want matter…but i kin get a buncha dinners with my .22, and i can bust a hole in a lot of troublesome things with my .357.
January 21, 2013 at 11:49 am
Nice combo, rh greene, with a good variety of applications.
January 14, 2013 at 10:06 pm
Blade: Gladius, Pistol: Beretta Nano, and finally Rifle: THE MOSIN NAGANT!
Usually my friends at school ask me this, but they don’t take prepping as a serious thing, and while I would want them to be preppers too, I got a feeling that they would refer to me as “The paranoid boy.” Anyways, reasons for these, the Gladius is a short stabbing sword, but they can be used to slash as well. Beretta nano, its pretty small, but uses a 9mm. The mosin nagant would be used as a last resort, its too loud, but has the stopping power and accuracy I prefer. I call the Mosin nagant the head taker. Oh yeah, I live in a suburban area.
January 15, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Arsenal Saiga AK47, S&W M&P 40 and my USMC Ka-Bar.
January 15, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Nice selection, Ed.
I gave my son the USMC Ka-Bar knife for Christmas. He’s already used it process game and baton firewood to get to the dry center. Loves it.
Joe
January 15, 2013 at 12:56 pm
Yeah it’s a great knife. I’vfe had mine since 84, bought it while I was in the corps.
January 15, 2013 at 1:00 pm
I personally use a Ka-Bar BK2 Companion. It’s a bit heavy and thick from some of the finer work but it’s nearly indestructible.
Joe
January 15, 2013 at 8:15 pm
I’ve got a BK2, I took off the belt loop and mounted on my load bearing suspenders., up-side down of course.
January 15, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Actually, for zombies I’d have to go with the ak, the m&p and my tactical wakizashi. got to reading all the posts and was thinking of general survival, not zombie survival.
January 15, 2013 at 12:58 pm
Although the teenagers were talking about the Zombie Apocalypse, I changed the question to general survival (no Zombies) during an economic collapse (golden horde would still apply – just no brain-eaters)
Thanks Ed.
Joe
January 15, 2013 at 1:57 pm
I find the ZA is a great way to discuss preps because it lowers the tension with humor. ZA also prevents having to suggest the golden horde or other scenarios. So, loss of job, bad weather, house fire, robbery … those are scenarios that the teens ignore that should be high on the list for preppers.
January 15, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Absolutely, raymcgill. Excellent point.
January 20, 2013 at 1:16 am
I have the full size version of the KBAR and the smaller version. ilike them both. they are heavy duty knives
January 15, 2013 at 8:18 pm
“I live in a small rural town on the plains of the midwest.” Well, close by anyway. I would probably choose what is already familiar to me, a 308, a 357 revolver, and a Buck 105 knife (the blade is about 6 inches) works fine for both skinning and butchering.
January 21, 2013 at 11:52 am
Nice selection, americuhh. Lots of fire power in there.
January 16, 2013 at 7:23 am
Crossbow, not a rifle. Its quite, has reusable ammo and is just as deadly in practiced hands. Ruger 22 pistol (there are no large predators where I live). 6 inch fixed blade knife for skinning etc.
January 21, 2013 at 11:52 am
Quiet is good. I wonder about the reload time though, xx.
January 18, 2013 at 1:59 am
My side arm would be an HK 45 USP compact. it has the stopping power that I need. I can carry several loaded magazine easily enough For a long gun I would take my 22 mag bolt action rifle. It has just a little more stopping power than a 22 LR and the ammo is light weight enough that i could carry plenty. The Knife i would choose would be the smaller KBar Usmc knife. They are easily sharpened, rugged and not quite as big as the full size knife. My wife would have an older high standard 22 pistol with plenty of ammo. her long gun would be a 12 guage with a slug barrel and she would also carry a similar knife as me. I have made survival bows and arrows using the KBAR knife as well as trap parts and skin animals.
I would be leaving for a rugged area of south central Alaska with 2 canoes and as much gear as I could get when it it was time to escape and evade.
The 12 gauge ammo would be quite heavy but I live with grizzly bears and moose so……
The canoes can be lashed together making an outrigger type set up with a deck layed across the lashings . Lots of gear can be lashed down in the bottom of each canoe as well as on the deck of the 2 canoes. i could carry 1500 pounds of gear this way (more than what i have) and still be able to separate the canoes and use one for hunting and such. This would get us a long way from any one with quite a few supplies and make us mobile on the many lakes and rivers that are available to me. Some of those rivers and lakes I have been on and could not find any signs of human activity or very minimal human activity.
January 18, 2013 at 12:00 pm
I do not have any guns, yet, but am planning to purchase both a rifle and a handgun this year. For rifle, 30.06 for hunting, given the scenario. For the handgun, most likely a 9mm, but would prefer to have a .357, if possible. I have a few folding knives, including a Gerber, Boy Scout Swiss Army, and a cheap single-blade folder. My only fixed blade is the Bear Grylls Ultimate Survival Knife, which will be replaced with something much better in the near future; most likely a KaBar.
January 21, 2013 at 11:54 am
Ka-Bar makes a great knife, Ken. Won’t go wrong with it. Check out the BK2 Campanion and the USMC Marine Fighting. Both are good choices.
January 18, 2013 at 10:56 pm
cache #1 ’06 bolt action, 22 revolver, axe. cache #2 629 stainless, model 60 22, axe. cache #3 12 ga. pump, 45 gov., axe. don’t forget the damn bastard files… you got zombies i got 900 lbs. brown bears and yes i have seem them eat people and no i don’t want to trade….
January 20, 2013 at 1:12 am
Snare , do you by chance live in Alaska? we have the big bear problem as well. I live in Anchorage for now but want to get out to the remote places again. If you live close by i would like to get together with others
January 21, 2013 at 10:25 pm
sorry Gbear i live in misty fijords, luck to you and yours..
January 21, 2013 at 10:40 pm
southeast nice!
January 19, 2013 at 12:02 am
For me:
Remington Model 700 in .338 Win Mag Rifle,
SW M&P 9mm in full size
Ka-bar Kukri Machete
My wife:
Mossberg 500 in 12 gauge with pistol grip
Ruger Mark III .22 pistol
Ka-bar USMC Knife
We live in Alaska, so plenty of extra space to bug out, however winters can sometimes be a bit harsh. Good thing we have plenty of bears and wolves to help with extra protection on night watch! ^_^
Thanks!
January 20, 2013 at 1:09 am
I live in Anchorage If you live close by I would like to get together with others.
January 19, 2013 at 12:43 am
Long Gun: 12 ga. pump, like Bennilli 3 1/2″, etc.; Side Arm: match grade .22 (super accurate for small game); Knife: Tom Brown Tracker, the old original style, which we’ve had for 20 years and still don’t see anything superior. There is no need to further explain these choices at this time, as I reckon they are pretty self-evident.
We are seriously into every phase of prepping, including this. We are beginning our fifth year since founding a community service oriented self-reliance preparedness group with monthly meetings having taught most all homesteading, alternative energy/transportation/health and myriads other self-reliance skills as well as survival. After the first year or so, I put up a blog/forum site to post all the info we could to help folks get prepared. We believe EMP could be a serious threat. One of our many projects was an EMP proof room, which I wrote a detailed article on and posted on our site. Please feel free to check out the prep info we have at http://www.bsoscblog.com and use anything you would like…Jim
January 20, 2013 at 1:03 am
Jim you were a tracker student as well? I went through there in about 1995
January 19, 2013 at 1:55 am
1. S&W .357 Magnum
2. Rossi .38/.357 levergun
3. Small machete
Cartridge is interchangeable and can be loaded very light or very heavy..
Both are light and easy to carry and conceal. Great for hunting and self pro-
tection. Revolver for close in protection, the levergun to reach out and touch
someone. Take the Buffalo Bear .38 spec “bear load”, put it in your rifle and
it will exceed the ballistics of the 30-30 caliber! So, it will probably work on
the zombies, too!
Ladywest
January 19, 2013 at 4:54 am
I live on the edge of a pretty large metropolitan area and would need to get my family out of town in order to provide legitimate safety/security to them. The bonus is — that allows me to hunt when I’m out of town. My choices:
Long gun: Saiga .410 shotgun
Sidearm: Taurus Judge .410 3″
Blade: Kabar
Logic: interchangeable ammunition, all family members can handle the long gun, magazine fed shotgun = quicker reloads, and the Kabar has too many survival uses to list.
January 20, 2013 at 1:06 am
Patrick, I live in Anchorage and would like to get together with others if you live close by let me know.
January 20, 2013 at 1:09 am
I think i clicked on the wrong link Sorry.
January 21, 2013 at 11:56 am
I hadn’t thought about the interchangeable option for the Judge and .410. Very clever, Patrick.
January 21, 2013 at 6:20 pm
I bought a judge years ago, and promptly sold it. Have you ever tried to shoot anything past 5 yards? what a joke. The headspace on the weak 45 colt is horrendous, and birdshot spreads soo fast you cant kill a pop bottle. I don’t think 3 peices of buckshot is any fix. Try 44rem.mag. revolver, and 44rem.mag. lever gun, and leave shotshells in shotguns.
January 21, 2013 at 7:10 pm
I have heard that about the Judge, Shockanawe.
January 20, 2013 at 5:55 pm
M4 in 556 with a 22LR conversion kit to go with it
Glock Model 22 in 40 S&W with a 357 SiG barrel, 9mm barrel & Mags… oh, and a 22LR conversion slide.
Knife, Gerber … just about any kind of Gerber
Allready got’em
January 21, 2013 at 11:42 am
14inch bowie
Rifle … Savage 64 in22lr with scope
Hand gun… Taurus rageing judge
410 for small game. 45 long colt for self defense 454 casual for large game
January 24, 2013 at 7:29 am
Rural east coast here…..
Long Gun would be Tc encore Muzzle loader.. obvious reasons reach and reloading.. in a year or so when all others are out of bullets i can simply recover lead from any old battery,,, process low grade gun powder from stockpiled chemicals, i dont have to worry about ammo depletion, plus my barrels are interchangable easily if i were to use 308 which is my calibre of choice for a cartridge…Also it could be loaded with powed and multiple lead balls and use as a shot gun for rabbits and small game.
Pistol would be my ar15-9inch carbine for defense and close range hunting,,, even tho my 223 would suffice out to 200 yards it would suffer accuracy issues past that.
Knife would be a a sp8 Survival tool.
January 24, 2013 at 10:56 pm
I tried to melt lead from a battery. forget about the plates, just use the lead terminals and top connectors. kudos on SP8
January 24, 2013 at 10:59 pm
lead from batteries is not a good idea. But the wheel weights will work. Melting lead is hazardous in itself but when you add sulfuric acid that cooks off into hydrogen gas you asking for trouble.
February 11, 2013 at 3:02 am
I side with the blogger on the Springfield Armory XD-40, 870 12 gauge, & I choose Leatherman -does that count? Was having trouble deciding between a shotgun and Ruger 10/22!
February 11, 2013 at 6:52 am
Thanks Dana! The multi-tool has a lot of benefits over a single fixed blade knife. Nothing at all wrong with that selection. In fact until 2 years of so, that would have been my first choice as well. I’ve since developed a preference for the durability of a good full tang fixed blade but that’s all it is: a personal preference.
February 21, 2013 at 12:54 am
Remington 870 12ga 3″ mag (I have seen multiple whitetail deer dropped in their tracks at 100yds with 3″ 00 buckshot, note we did have a 30″ barrel with a full choke) and I can easily exchange my 26″ mod choke barrel. Varmits, birds, medium game and defense – this has to be the best all around gun.
Springfield XD 9mm, but am considering .40cal
KaBar lockback or Craftsman lockback both 4″ blade. The KaBar is retired in honor since it was a gift from my dad when I started hunting at 10.
For a third gun, Ruger 10/22 use CCI Stinger for varmit or defense
Would also consider a Benjamin Marauder air rifle in .22 cal for hunting small game – quiet, accurate, 5 rnd repeater and about 15-20 shots before pumping air resevoir.
February 21, 2013 at 5:28 am
reminds me of when i was 10 years old and i killed an entire pack of 300lb timberwolves with my red ryder BB gun, but i pumped it extra times, at 800 yards, while riding my go-cart with Elvis. I cut their hearts out with a butter knife and ate it raw.
February 21, 2013 at 1:57 pm
John, sounds like you think I am full of BS or a 10yr old with an active imagination. I am actually approaching 50 and you can think what you want, but I have seen deer taken at 100yrds with 00 buckshoot on more than one occasion. It doesn’t matter if you believe me or not, but I know what I saw.
March 1, 2013 at 4:11 pm
WOW just what I was looking for. Came here by searching for frontier internet
speed test
March 14, 2013 at 11:13 am
AR-10. It’s a bit heavy and requires more cleaning than some of the alternatives. It requires a lot of rounds to get one dirty enough to malfunction. If you fire a couple hundred rounds of 30 cal at someone they will either move on to an easier target or they will call in bigger guns and nothing will save you. ARs also let you swap uppers for different purposes.
The AR-15 is great for accuracy and distance but the .223 isn’t a good hunting round. The various alternative rounds that are good for hunting just aren’t as easy to find and give up range vs the .308.
The M1A1s I looked at were as heavy as the AR and I don’t like how you mount optics.
An AK says you mean business but people can to try to snipe you from a distance. There are supposedly accurate AKs but I’ve never seen one I’d trust to hit a man sized target at over 300 yards. The 7.62×39 drops like a rock at longer ranges and isn’t a great hunting rifle.
Concealable 9mm. If you aren’t carrying a rifle, it’s because you don’t want to be seen carrying a firearm. Uses the most common semi-auto pistol round in a compact size. If you have to fire more than a couple magazines you forgot that a pistol is just to get you to your rifle. There are many acceptable models so I’ll just leave it at that.
Any knife must be good for processing game. They all go between someone’s ribs and you’ll *hopefully* spend more time in pursuit of food than fending off people with a knife. If you have to resort to a knife for self defense much you forgot your firearm or didn’t buy enough ammo. Odds are if you have to defend yourself with a knife the attacker will be more experienced and you don’t want to be in that situation.
March 14, 2013 at 1:52 pm
I meant M1A, not M1A1. 🙂
March 14, 2013 at 3:25 pm
good points on the AR10. I like my HK 91 if I can ever get any ammo.
March 25, 2013 at 3:19 pm
Okay, so only three items. (1)KNIFE, I have a Model 14 Randal Attack. Excellent for combat, for survival and can be used for constructing a shelter in most areas. It is virtually indestructible and top quality construction. (2) RIFLE, this gets tougher due to Survival Philosophy. I have a M1A with scope (quick detachable), It will kill any North American game and is very effective on a belligerent enemy as well. I have killed many men with this caliber and it is very effective. It is Heavy and ammo is not light. I carried 220 loaded 173 grain Sniper Rounds in Vietnam in twenty round magazines, They were heavy, but a rifle without ammo is a stick. (3) PISTOL, I have a Glock 23 in .40 Caliber. Good for anti personnel and medium sized game. 100-140 rounds of ammo.
All of this is walking, worst case scenario. So appropriate LBE (Load Bearing Equipment), Water, Food, and Medical. Travel light freeze at night. Cold Camps at night, Solo Stove for daytime meals. Cook rice at night time meal so can move out early in the AM. Compass, maps, GPS if it still works and my NVG’s (Gen 3 Night vision) Survival kit with snares fishing line, hooks, etc. My medical supplies for my health and two pairs of glasses. One pair desert boots and one pair hiking shoes, one pair of moccasins. Most of this is no problem and there can be more supplies in my Jeep. But always plan for walking. GI Poncho with Double Poncho liner and the heavy Grabber Space Blanket with hood and hand warmer pockets, in OD Green. I use tactical colors, in case I do not WANT to be seen. for normal use Blue or Orange work for signaling.
Second Philosophy, Avoid ALL contact (1) KNIFE, Model 14 Attack, as above, (2) Rifle Shotgun Combo. I have a Springfield M-6 .22 Caliber over a .410 lower Single shot .410 Shells would be 70% #8 shot, 20% Buck Shot and 10% Slugs. 1000 rounds of .22 ammo. (3) Pistol, Ruger .22 Semi-automatic with five (10 round) magazines. All other supplies as mentioned above. Two other rifles that would be excellent are the M-24 Savage over under (Camper Model) no longer made and the Ruger 10/22 with ten and thirty round magazines, it can be effective in a gun fight and for survival. I have many more opinions on this subject, but these were the limitations. Thanks for letting me share my ideas. I went through several survival schools as a pilot in the USAF, and I served in Combat in the Army
March 25, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Hey Joe, can you please change my name to Russell C.? I live in the desert. I would rather be in a couple of other areas, but hey, it is what it is. Using pellet guns and wrist rocket slingshots is a great idea. The Indians made good use of throwing sticks and rocks for taking birds. Must be practiced though. I also have a couple of 5.56 AR’s Ranges can be long here, but most gunfights take place at less than 400 meters, 440 yards. Hits count and AIM Point is the favored Combat sight system in use by our troops. I also like the ACOG because it can reach out a little farther and needs no batteries. You can also get some with less than four power scope. Sorry, I am getting carried away again.
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April 2, 2013 at 3:05 pm
I have my items that I would want / need for a collapse..and without further wait:
my k-bar model 1212
my springfield xd .40
my scoped saiga ak-47 with 48 round magazines
I am well trained in using all of these so using them would require no further training.
The k-bar would stand up to anything I put it up to.
The ak (actually akm) is going to shoot reliably and can spray a ton of lead very fast if need be.
The xd .40 is a fantastic and accurate gun that I am confident at shooting up to 50 yards and hitting a seven inch round target.
April 15, 2013 at 3:06 am
I like my flock 19 for versatility I can go with standard mags and its concealable, or I can put one of my g17 mags with the sleeve grip extension and a pierce 3plus base gives me 21 rounds total including one in the chamber of 9mm hp. I also have a 22 conversion kit for it.
My ar wins the day because I can hunt large and small and use my 22 conversion kit for small stuff. I’m confident it will handle to footed predators also.
Blade, I’m not stuck on anything but I do carry my Kershaw assisted opener every day it’s useful fast holds an edge well decent size blade and after carrying it around south America for the last several years as my only means of self defense I’m comfortable with it.
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We live in Hawaii, which presents legal and practical constraints others don’t suffer. No 11+ round mags which fit any pistol, so AR mags are out, as, of course, are any actual pistol mags more than 10 rounds. No big game other than pigs, little small game other than feral chickens, cats, and mongoose, so little need for skinning unless you plan on eating long pig (which we don’t plan on). I expect all the game would be gone within a very few weeks, so guns would be almost entirely for defense. Salt atmosphere. Nearly all the wilderness is semi-tropical rain forest/watershed mountainside, and retreating to that in rainy season is for the birds. Bugging In is the main option, or if possible flying to the Mainland where we have some back up supplies with others.
So: Ka-Bar Cutlass Machete, with mediocre sheath improved with rivets along the lower seam. Stainless 1911 in .45ACP, with stainless 7 and 10 round mags. Stainless Mini-14/Ranch Rifle in .223, with stainless 20 & 30 rounds mags.
The Ka-Bar Cutlass Machete is a great short (11″ blade) machete. Short enough to carry conveniently, heavy enough to chop well even with short strokes, short enough for working in tight quarters. The 1095 blade is easy to sharpen and takes a good edge. Great for batoning firewood, or opening cans. My only gripe is the sheath, which is not nearly up to the machete itself.
May 7, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Hawaii certainly presents its own unique challenges for prepping. Sounds like a well thought out plan, tho.
May 7, 2013 at 9:08 pm
Thanks, Joe. Hawaii certainly does have its own prepping issues. Keeping it all legal is an issue which I hardly ever see addressed, but I think it is critically important: One just can’t spend 24/7 committing misdemeanors, much less felonies, and be prepared for bad times.
I have from time to time run into people who say they would just go ahead and break the laws on 11+ round mags, and other things as well, and I think they are begging to be in the pokey when things get really bad.
As long as there are work arounds like Mini-14s it is a lot better to be squeaky clean. The constant stress of being a lawbreaker 24/7 just is not healthy for the body or attitude. It can also get all one’s family’s guns confiscated just as things get real bad. Just putting a loaded 11+ round mag into a pistol is a felony here, and no one has explained to me how a felony conviction enhances one’s preparedness. Even unloaded, each mag is a separate misdemeanor.
Misdemeanors are stressful, even before one gets busted. Prepping is about reducing stress.
June 17, 2013 at 4:38 am
.69 Charliville Musket or .75 Brown Bess flint locks for the long guns. With those I can load anything from rock salt to nails, even pebbles. We are talking EOW here? Carpenters hatchet as my blade of choice. 6-8 inch blade, hammer face on the back side. 2 foot handle about 6#. Knife, batlle axe all in one. Why stab when you can cleave as well? Handle can be replaced by whittling a branch. As for the hand gun give me a flint lock as well My choise of guns may not have a high rate of fire, but I can load them with any powder and any projectile. Simple moving parts. In an EOW situation go back to the basics.
If we want to stay modern? Carpenters hatchet, 9MM. and a 308 bolt action.
September 12, 2013 at 12:07 am
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October 30, 2013 at 10:14 pm
Long gun: 1100 Remington mag. with slug barrel and rifle sights 12 ga with 10 shot capacity.
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Remington 700 in .243 rifle, Ruger Blackhawk single action revolver in 357 6 inch barrel , buck folding knife. I live I the country and will be defending home turf. Chances are I will see you before you see me. Food for the locals will be virtually unlimited with plenty of beef, dairy, poultry and grains in surpluss. Fruits and vegetables will be easy enough to start. We are far enough off the beaten path so we expect to observe the crises and then hunker down for the long term. Most of us have been self reliant for the most part, a crises usually brings us together. Others best pass on by.
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February 7, 2014 at 10:45 pm
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